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Ian
09-01-2009, 05:44 PM
Just got an e-mail from someone who was out on a Tiller charter this weekend. He told me that the operator told the divers on board that he had cut the tag line from the stern mooring to the wreck. He mentioned that it was a hazzard as he had divers getting confussed by the second line and they were getting tangled as they pulled themselves along the line.

For those that don't know, we moved the original mooring system further aft and installed a new heavier one off the bow. From the blocks on the bottom, we have 10' of chain suspended up off the bottom by a five gallon air filled jug and then 3/4" line running to the surface. The stern mooring has a bleach bottle float on the surface while the bow has one of our new 5' tall buoys/light/reflector. On the bottom, we run a 3'8" tag line from the top of the chain to the wreck. There is enough slack in this line that there is no stress placed on the wreck no matter what the wind direction or the amount of scope used by the boat. To prevent the possibility of diver entanglement or entanglement with the wreck when not in use we have a small jug half way along this line to hold slight tension.

This wreck is a small wreck and if divers are not capable of telling the difference between a line tied to the rail almost at the aft end from one tied to the bow by the ships anchor then I would suggest that these divers should not be doing this 110' dive. Likewise, these lines like most other tag are tied directly to the wreck and are designed not to place stress on the wreck. They are there to help divers safely locate the wreck and the ascent line in limited visibilty not as a subsitute for lack of buoyancy control or swimming ability.

We spent a lot of time, money and effort to put the second mooring out. We did it because we have everything from very light Zodiacs to heavier multi engine inboards diving the wreck. Often at the same time. As a lighter boat, this operator cut the tag line to the mooring system that he should have been using.

I don't know if the tag line was totally remove or simply cut at the wreck. I was told "cut" but the person that told me did not see it. If it was simply cut at the wreck, we now have a true hazzard as there will be about 30' of poly line floating up the mooring line that divers will have to work their way through. I would suggest using only the bow mooring with the buoy until we can get out to repair it.

I would also suggest that this operator better screen his divers or take just a few minutes to educate them before becoming slash happy with a knife. As he uses our moorings as much or more than anyone else, it would be nice if he offered to fix it.

If I sound pissed, I am as there was a ton of work involved in getting these moorings out there and we try to make things as easy and as safe as possible. If you don't like the way things are, make a suggestion, don't make them more dangerous than they were.

If you would like to get some sort of idea what was involved, check out the following two links.
http://www.vaxxine.com/advtech/moor/tillerblock.htm
http://www.vaxxine.com/advtech/moor/dalhousie.htm

Our second problem, seems to be a repeated one. I just found out that the buoy on the Raleigh is missing. This is the third time for this shipwreck. No matter how well we secure it we seem to have a problem every year. Hopefully it has just sunk and we will be able to retreive the light and radar reflector. If not, it's about a $550.00 loss. Anyone going out that tway, I'd appreciate it if you kept a lookout for it.

Ian

serge
09-01-2009, 06:36 PM
That's very disappointing. There are a group of us going out next Sunday. If nobody has been out by then we'd be happy to let you know the situation. Also if you'd like some thing done or changed I'm sure we'd all be happy to help out.

Serge.

Ian
09-01-2009, 06:42 PM
Are you going out on the same boat as Joe Gozza? I just had a message from him as well. Thanks for the offer, I'll let you know. Ian

That's very disappointing. There are a group of us going out next Sunday. If nobody has been out by then we'd be happy to let you know the situation. Also if you'd like some thing done or changed I'm sure we'd all be happy to help out.

Serge.

serge
09-01-2009, 06:47 PM
Yup I'm going with Joe, John Groff and a few others.

Oren
09-01-2009, 08:29 PM
Yup I'm going with Joe, John Groff and a few others.
Next Sunday? The 6th?
Would you have still room for 3 more? All squared away....Im hope....:rolleyes:

serge
09-01-2009, 10:23 PM
Hey Oren. Let me check with Joe he setup the charter other than him John and myself I actually don't know who else is confirmed.

Oren
09-01-2009, 10:59 PM
Thanks,
Who is it with? how much?

JohnG
09-02-2009, 06:21 AM
Hey Oren,
we are going out with John Schertzer, not sure cost or space right now. Hopefully we will hear from Joe soon.

I can't believe anyone would cut the tag line. Hopefully the person responsible offers to fix or pay to have it fixed.

Oren
09-02-2009, 07:41 AM
Hey Oren,
we are going out with John Schertzer, not sure cost or space right now. Hopefully we will hear from Joe soon.

I can't believe anyone would cut the tag line. Hopefully the person responsible offers to fix or pay to have it fixed.
Cool, I like John.
Let us know whether there is still enough space for 3 more or I'll try to get hold of him this afternoon myself provided I can find his number. (Little messy around here since the renovation started.... :))

Oren
09-02-2009, 10:21 PM
Talked to Schertzer and our team is in on the charter.... See you there guys.
Ian, I'd be happy to help in any way I can.

Ian
09-04-2009, 11:48 PM
Well, today did not work out as we had planned! Jack, Barb and I headed out on Spencer’s boat first thing this morning. We had plans of moving the stern mooring further aft behind the transom and installing a new tag line and larger surface jug.

Attempt one;

Jack and I went down first to float a mark where we wanted the block to end up and to tie in our bag line to the link at the top of the chain. We set the 4000# bag at about 15’so that when it was inflated the blocks would be about 15’ off the bottom. Jack moved up the line to inflate the bag, while I stayed at the top of the chain, ready to cut it loose when we reached the point. Just as I felt tension coming on the line, I heard a loud pop. A minute later, Jack was back down to me signalling me up. As soon as we got to the bag, I saw what the problem was. The inflation hose from the tank to the bag had ruptured and we had lost all the air out of the bag. We removed the hose and took it topside where Spencer cut it back and managed a quick fix.

Attempt two;

As Jack inflated the bag slowly (hoping our repair would hold), I was back down again ready to cut the line. As our direction of movement was 90 degrees off the wind and waves, Spencer was to have the boat ready to move as soon as the bag broke the surface. Next thing I knew, I had a piece of chain flying past my face. The rebar had pulled out of one of the two blocks. The second block hadn’t lifted yet but it was light enough that the current was pushing us away from the wreck. By the time the block floated, we must have been 200’ off our mark. I had popped up above the thermocline into the bad visibility and had no idea where we were. I dropped down to the block which was in clear water and watched the bottom pass by. Eventually we hit silt so I knew we were going the right way. Next came the drag marks, then the lost block, then the ship and finally the mark where I cut the bag loose. The position was perfect but we were minus one block.

After surfacing, we talked it over and decided that a single 1000# block wasn’t substantial enough for a secure mooring. We headed back down and disconnected everything. End result, a lot of time and effort wasted and the Tiller is back to one mooring. We now have to decide if it’s worth putting another block out or just leaving it with the one good one we have. I would like some input here. I know that a couple of years ago it wasn’t uncommon to have 2,3 or even 4 boats tied up at a time on the weekend but I don’t think the wreck is getting the same traffic this year. Both lines were well used as there is no muscle of seaweed growth on either of them so there still must be a fair bit of traffic to it. Do we need a second mooring?

One point of good news was that James Detenbeck got out to the Raleigh last night and the buoy was there. It had taken on some water and was floating on its side and not very visible. It has been removed for the season.